Hidden Door Challenges and Update on the Kitchen Tile

Hi Everyone,

Today, we’re going to go over many building details but focus on the hidden door challenges.

This has been such an incredible learning curve for me. Since my GC, Robert, isn’t very hands-on with the more unusual details, I’ve had to be.

Yes, it is his job. However, I’ve learned that it will not get done if I’m not proactive. If I had known that a year ago, I would’ve gladly taken on that responsibility.

 

But before we get into the hidden door challenges, first, an update about the kitchen backsplash tile.

 

I ran several experiments, and here are my findings.

 

  • When I applied the gray grout, it immediately filled in the cracks as it did for Phillip. I needed to make sure it happened when someone other than Phillip applied the grout.
  • I took two tiles and sealed them with the sealer my marble guy told me to get. It’s toxic AF. I held my breath and then ran out of the room while it was drying.
  • I did two coats about an hour apart. The sealer did not change the tile. Hooray for that.

 

Then, I waited 24 hours to apply the gray grout. I let it sit on there about 20 minutes and rinsed it off.

 

The tile was perfect. No staining whatsoever!

I took another virgin tile and used the warm white grout we used for the new bathroom tile downstairs. (That turned out great, by the way.) I let it sit on the tile for a good while and worked it in. When I rinsed it off, there was no discernable difference with the white grout.

Therefore, there won’t be a problem if we do white grout. And then, per vendor instructions, the tile can be sealed after the grout is dry.

 

The new tile is coming on Wednesday, and Robert will see if he can get Phillip back this Friday.

 

Aside from the staining, his work is fine. Some of you were worried about my countertops. He does protect everything with a heavy-duty drop cloth.

Okay, these hidden doors have been a real thorn in my paw.

The bathroom’s hidden doors were figured out.

And, only today did Eugene and I figure out the final design for the under stairs doors.

 

under stairs hidden doors
I found an image almost exactly like my staircase minus the railing.

Before, there was a horizontal rail or two to make smaller panels. However, it’s not necessary.

I adore Scott Yetman’s staircase with only the vertical stiles and no horizontal rails.

 

Scott Yetman staircase
Plus, I think with my railing, it’ll be very nice.

new stair handrail design inspired by upstairs-downstairs (2010) my face

 

I don’t know when it’s coming; and I refuse to stress about it.

 

It was supposed to be installed by the end of April at the latest. Jerry called me a week ago to schedule it. It never happened.

Getting back to the hidden door challenges.

The primary problem, many of you already know. If you have trim on the outside of the opening, like any door, opening the door is no problem. However, if any trim crosses the hinged sides when opening out, the door won’t open unless those pieces are mitered.

 

The solution is to do a pivot hinge. However, the guys are having issues with the pivot hinges that were recommended.

 

We can’t do pivot hinges because these doors are on an angle, so the next best are concealed hinges. They’re excellent; however, they still don’t allow for trim. I saw another hinge yesterday that wraps around. It looks like it costs far more than I can afford.

Therefore, I eliminated the horizontal railing and one more thing. If you look more closely at my drawing, you’ll see that the baseboard is one continuous piece. That’s because the opening no longer comes down to the floor. That way, we won’t need to deal with the baseboard moulding intersecting the opening. I’ll explain this in more detail when I talk about the upstairs hidden doors.

 

Okay, let’s take a look at Eugene’s work for today.

 

platform inside closet

Above, you can see where Eugene built a platform for whatever will go in here. Maybe we’ll use it to play fort. ;] I also had him block off the rest because I know me. There will be a graveyard of items in the space I won’t be able to access easily. Therefore, it’s completely blocked off. Damn, I should’ve put a note in there.

 

platform under stairs
Who follows Teddy, the golden retriever on Instagram? This reminds me of his darling dog house.

 

under stairs secret doors are nearly finished

The dead space could make a cute dog house for a small dog. Just cut an opening in the larger of the two panels on the right.

If you look more closely at the image above, the missing stile will hang over the slight gap between the doors to cover it up. Yes, I’ll need to open the left door to open the right door, but I’ll need to do it anyway.

 

Eugene will route out a little handle along the side of the stile as this guy did.

 

routed out handle secret doors

I may have linked to this before, but he provides an excellent tutorial on some super-well-done secret doors.

 

 

This is a link to part 2 of the same tutorial.

 

Laurel, I thought you were going to do something a little fancier.

 

Do you mean like this?

v-fine-homes-riverhills-entry stairs - hidden jib door
v-fine-homes-river hills-entry stairs – hidden jib door

 

Yes, this is exquisite. There is likely a powder room in this space. My guys are good builders. However, this is foreign to them. It was undoubtedly done in a custom mill shop.

Still, it will be fantastic when mine is all done, the railing is in, and it’s painted and furnished. The original house wasn’t particularly ornate or this classical. There is a lot going on already in a small space.

 

under stairs secret doors are nearly finished

 

Oh, I almost forgot to point out the new moulding on the lower entry door and its overdoor to give it more presence for those who missed it or forgot. This is not the primary entrance. However, I have a deeded storage closet across the hall. Only ten feet down the hall is the building’s laundry room. I can still use it if I want to do two loads or speed up the drying time.

 

Bryan, the painter, is coming on Thursday to do his prep work downstairs, and he needs the paint colors tomorrow!

 

I will continue with the hidden jib doors upstairs and the challenge that is presenting us. That will either be Thursday, or it might need to wait until Sunday. It will be a relief when the guys work that out.

I’m also going to go over some hardware details and the paint colors!

 

Cale December 2023

Cale, last December

In closing, I just dodged a bullet. My darling son, Cale, was going to come on Saturday afternoon, which he told me Saturday morning. lol Sound typical, anyone? However, due to another circumstance, he changed his plans at the last minute and didn’t come.

Well, he called me this afternoon. He has Covid and became symptomatic on Sunday evening, which means that he was highly contagious on Saturday. Still, I’m always concerned when he gets it. I think this is his third bout.

xo,

 

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18 Responses

  1. Great information! These pictures are actually beautiful. When you have professional information about various topics, it becomes easier to deal with many issues. Thanks.

  2. Hi Laurel— just in case you are still looking for a solution to to the understair storage door issue: there are pullout tracks that would allow you to support heavy items ( like 75+ lbs, and then your doors pull out towards you ( not swinging from left to right). I think this is sometimes called an apothecary pullout?? Anywho, it should be easy for your builders to do— math wise/ carpentry wise. Then you can put your heavy items on top of the platform ( the track runs underneath the platform), and slide the items toward the stairs, and they are tucked away^ nicely underneath.

  3. Hello from Toronto, Canada! Laurel, have you ever thought of having the company who will create the stair railings, make the security railings for your bedroom window and door – in the identical style? Remove the curly-cue stuff and replace the linear style. Just an idea.

    Thank you for the phenomenal articles and best wishes for completion of your lovely home!

    Helen

  4. Karen from Philly has eagle eyes! I love all your images and have learned a lot from you (and greatly appreciate your humor.). You are a professional and are having trouble with some of the trades. I can’t help wondering how the typical homeowner like myself would fare…

  5. So glad to see that things are moving along. Well done you for persevering and doing the problem solving for the more custom aspects of your beautiful design. Wishing you more smooth sailing.

  6. Wow! Your new design is fantastic for downstairs. Glad to recognize your sense of humor is back! Next some jumbo recliners in a granny pattern?

  7. Did I miss how the exposed cut ends of the tiles in the kitchen are being handled?

    Thank you for all you share – it has had a wonderful impact on how I make decisions decorating our new home.

  8. I am enjoying following along as you describe the details of your build. I am also learning so much; thank you!

    In this update, you talk about the “sealer my marble guy told me to get. It’s toxic AF.” What specifically was that sealer? I will be building a new house soon, and I plan to use marble in the bathrooms.

    Your hidden doors are going to look great, and I am looking forward to your update on the stair railing once it is finished. I know it will be beautiful.

  9. Hi Laurel,
    Sometimes things reveal themselves by a “Happy Accident”. I think in the long run the warm white grout will have much more staying power. It all is going to be beautiful!!!

    XOXO Nancy

  10. Teddy is a rock star, but I digress, your space is really coming together. Been a real treat to have a seat on the sidelines throughout this saga. Can’t wait for the finale.

  11. Laurel, you should be proud of yourself for figuring out all of the hard details and sticking to your guns for your vision. One suggestion on the tile, if you look at the first picture of today’s post, the second row of tiles under the bullnose has a tile cut in half. These half tiles on the ends may look more finished if they’re turned around so the cut part is on the right side and the original edge is on the left side to give that left side of tile a more finished edge all the down the row. I’m so happy your experiment worked! Happy for you to have dodged covid but sorry for your Cale.

  12. Aren’t there hinges where you tap the door and it pops open (no knob, pull or routed opening needed?

  13. Good morning, Laurel.
    I’m sorry Cale is sick again. That would have been bad if he came & then you got it. Just as you’re feeling better from your cold.
    Those hidden doors have been problematic from the beginning it seems. But once they’re completed they’ll be lovely.

  14. It’s a really smart use of space, and I’ve often admired it in photos. I never gave one thought to how bloody difficult it might be to construct or how to hide the hinge. I did know about different hinges but not the one that wraps around. I also didn’t know hinges could be monstrously expensive. That’s one reason I love your blog–I’m always learning something. Thanks, Laurel.

  15. We love Teddy! (We show our own sweet golden, Harper, his videos. Sadly she is not as talented, but at least she’s pretty 😉

    I am loving the hidden doors! They definitely speak to my inner child…you could have a clubhouse in there! Cannot wait to see all that beautiful moulding painted 🤩

  16. My instinct tells me something is brewing in regards to the bannister. Because of that I think it’s time to have a heart to heart with the iron worker. He might need to disclose any reservations he has concerning the design and you may need to do some more problem solving. Just a very strong inkling based on experience that the desire to be paid normally results in the task being concluded quickly if there are no impediments in the first place to delivering the items!!
    Good luck.

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